As the tire case was a big victory for the union heavy auto industry, Obama's decision to slap a 99% duty on Steel pipes was a massive gain for the union heavy Steel industry. I think it's quite clear what game Obama is playing and what groups he's willing to protect and serve.
I could write a long rant about what how Obama is a threat to free trade blah blah. But I think we've already gone down that route. What I think would be a bit more interesting is a discussion over the issue of "Dumping" that composes most of Obama's arguments against China (and generally constitutes the majority of our WTO conflict resolution cases) and whether or not it is necessarily bad.
Dumping can take a variety of forms, it can be an export subsidy that a country tags onto a good that plunges the price of the good when it is traded abroad (the justification being, that the reduced price will make it more viable compared to other producers). When exactly this subsidy is placed (either in the production of the good i.e. State artifically lowers the cost of making it, or just as the finished product is about ready to be shipped) doesn't matter so long as the subsidy artificially lowers the price of the good.
Obviously we have a guttural negative reaction to Dumping, but is it actually bad? I mean, when we look at it in the China --> US relationship (Chinese Dumping) the American consumer is the person who benefits. We get to buy goods that are cheaper than they would otherwise be. Chinese consumers actually lose because their taxes are compensating the lower price of the good (and thus, gov't spending creates good/services for the US rather than themselves) AND, because there is less of that good in China (since more Pipes are leaving China to go to America than there would otherwise be at normal market prices) the price of that good will be higher in China (less supply equals increased demand, increased price). So yeah, that's pretty cool if China wants to pay for a discount on our shopping trip while increasing their own.
The major media response (and what you're probably thinking right now) is that such prolonged practices will destroy American/foreign competition and then the Chinese will be able to dominate the supply side and increase their profits in the long run.
However, there's numerous problems with this argument. First off, the threat of being edged out of the market forces our firms and industries to develop new practices/innovation to improve their production of such goods and will actually, in the long run, make them more viable than the subsidy laden industries. Even if our firms shrink, the practices they develop will ensure that when the Dumping subsidies stop and the market price resurfaces (or if the Chinese try to demand higher prices because their competition is less), our firms will be able to produce the good cheaper than the Chinese. Theoretically, the subsides that the Chinese government gives to lower the price should be used for Research and Development to counter this scenario, but in authoritarian gov'ts, subsides frequently feed into an expanded system of graft and corruption that diminishes/negates their long term viability. Also, there's been numerous attempts at Dumping in the past and it is rarely effective at eliminating enough competition to be completely dominant.
Secondly, There's the issue of what Americans get to do with their expanded consumption horizons as we're able to get pipes cheaper than before, the savings from this aren't going to be stagnate but will chase other goods. Maybe cheaper pipes means we can make cheaper houses/buildings, thus leading to more construction contracts? Or maybe I decide to upgrade my computer with the new OSX Snow Leopard from my savings? The possible outcomes of having more pocket change is endless. What we actually have is not a net loss of jobs as the Dumped Good edges itself into the market, but a transition of jobs from one industry to others. why we don't recognize this is because it's easier for the one industry losing jobs to be vocal about their problems compared to the multitude of industries that have benefited. Thus, we think there's only a loss.
Thirdly, and this is the most important in my opinion, Dumping practices are difficult to define and frequently lead to abuse. Is a Chevy car that is exported abroad a dumped good? Because of the bailout it's tough to say what our state to firm relationship is with Chevy. What about the massive grants that the US gives to R&D of a variety of goods? Could this be dumping? I think a determined analyst could point their finger at some point of a good's production cycle and find some type of state intervention. Thus Anti-Dumping policies in the WTO lends itself to abuse, especially by anti-free market politicians. There's a fine line with this argument I know, when we look at the super-rivals of Boeing vs Airbus, state subsidies can have a huge impact on the outcome of the industry (since the industry is largely only made up of two firms), and maybe RTP can explore the topic more.
This is a complex issue. Sowell defines dumping as "A common argument for government protection against a competitor in other countries is that the latter is not competing 'fairly' but instead 'dumping' its products on the market at prices below their cost of production."[...] Whatever the theory behind anti-dumping laws, in practice they are part of the arsenal of protectionism for domestic producers, at the expense of domestic consumers."
ReplyDeletePresident Obama is accusing the Chinese of dumping cheap good onto the American market right? By "slapping" tariffs on Chinese goods, Obama is interfering with free trade and the free market. The effect is that of protecting the American steel pipe producers from competition from the Chinese. I say let the company or country that can produce the best product at the cheapest price win. That is the moral obligation of every business. By protecting a domestic industry from foreign competition it hurts the consumer by being inefficient. On the bigger picture, measures that protect against "dumping" causes more resources to go to producing the same amount or less--it is inefficient. This is similar to the cash for clunker program cost the American tax payer 24,000(Edmunds) for every car sold. Well the average car cost that much. This is a gross inefficiency and is wasting resources. More is going into producing something that equals less than the sum of the total capital put into the original production. If continued, it will lead to economic ruin.
I don't know all of the dynamics between the American-Chinese economic relationship, but it seems to me like the two countries need each other. Right now maybe America needs China more due to the need to buy our debt.
On the bigger picture, national boundaries are artificial barriers to free trade that eventually will be done away with. We know what the effects of protectionism have on the economies of a country and the world as a whole. Obama's tariffs are a minor thing that is aimed at pleasing his base. I don't think it will lead to a major trade dispute.
I think Obama is paying the Chinese back for them buying our debt in an indirect way. For example, American oil companies were not allowed to drill for the oil up in Canada but the Chinese could. I think America will eventually pay China's debt back in the form of hard assets like American oil and land or natural resources.
Good post! It sure sounds like dumping is not wise for the producer in the long run, but your noted exception of an already very limited-competition type of situation is also a good point. I got nothin' to add to this very well-done article.
ReplyDeleteThanks Bud-D.
ReplyDeleteJeff, let's remember that dumping isn't allowing the "Free market" to rule. It generally involves some type of artificial influence of the market on the production of the good. What I'm arguing is that I don't actually think that foreign dumping (let's be clear, I don't support our gov't trying this) , is actually in the best interest of the US consumer so long as the good being dumped is in a relatively competitive field.
I think that tariffs can be "slapped" on goods, but only as a response to another country doing the same if proven within the WTO's Conflict Resolution process (one of the few international enforcement mechanisms that appears to be impartial and effective) but NOT FOR dumping practices.
And also, the WTO rocks. We all need to be fans. I'll try to start a facebook group
I would agree that from your definition of dumping that it is an interference in the free market; but from what I understand from the articles above, I don't see how the case of steel pipes is a case of dumping on the part of the Chinese? Is the Chinese government actually subsidizing Chinese steel pipe makers? From what I understand, the Chinese are able to sell steel pipe at a cheaper price and this is causing America to accuse China of dumping goods on the American market.
ReplyDeleteIn my first paragraph, third sentence, I meant, "What I'm arguing is that I actually think that..." instead of "What I'm arguing is that I don't actually.." stupid lack of proof reading.
ReplyDeleteYes, we're accusing China of subsidizing their producers in the pipe production:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/business/global/06pipe.html
But with the subsidies or without, I'm still in favor of allowing the pipes to be imported into the states.
Check out this article from Politico titled "Is China Headed Toward Collapse?":
ReplyDeletehttp://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29330.html
"First, they point to the enormous Chinese economic stimulus effort — with the government spending $900 billion to prop up a $4.3 trillion economy."
If it takes that kind of effort for them to provide their cheap pipes, maybe it's not such a favorable situation for them.
Melkor, I did not find in the article that the Chinese are being accused of subsidizing their steel pipes unless in the definition of dumping is subsidizing. From what I read about dumping, it is an accusation sometimes not based on facts. It is like a star athlete that is out performing everybody else on the field, and his opponents claim that he is taking a drug to improve his performance because they are being outperformed. I don't know if there is any way to prove that the Chinese are subsidizing their pipes other than the fact that they are making them cheaper. I hope I explained what I meant.
ReplyDeleteBud-D, that is an interesting article. I believe that with globalization and the economies of the world being build on a foundation of debt and with basically the same economic policies being pursued by most major economies that there will sometime in the future be a world wide economic collapse or something close to a collapse. I am not really basing this off of anything other than the various news articles that I have read about the economy and from what limited knowledge I have about economics and government. If this does happen, how would the world react? If the world reacts like America did by electing the Obama administration, then it does not look good. The American people were lied and misguided into choosing more government to solve a perceived crises. Only now are they starting to realize that it was not such a good ideal and that they were fooled--look at the recent elections and polls. A foundation for a very large government is being laid brick by brick very slowly and gradually, climate change and other areas. So when a crises occurs, which the economic crises was caused by government, this system of government can be quickly set up and come about. I think this system will be like the one Toqueville described--a mild and meek form of tyranny that come about under the guise of taking care and providing for you. It might be a time of great propersity for a short period of time.