Wednesday, January 4, 2012

The Government Has Gained An Authoritarian Power

The government has gained the ability to detain a U.S. citizen indefinitely for no reason:
I can't believe that nobody's talking about this: The thing Obama signed on New Year's Eve, the new Defense Authorization Act. I don't know if people don't know what's in this or if other things take precedence. Well, it is being reported because I saw it. I saw it reported. Obama signed this thing, the new Defense Authorization Act on New Year's Eve. Folks, you know what this thing does? It allows the United States military to detain anybody for no reason! They don't even have to charge you. I mean, this is specified. This is not the Patriot Act. This is way beyond. This is total authoritarianism. This is the kind of stuff that exists in Third World banana republics. The government can detain anybody! All they have to do... They actually don't have to do anything.

They just have to say they suspect you of terrorism.

They don't have to prove it. They don't have to have any evidence. They can charge you. They can put you away in a jail. You are not allowed a lawyer. You are not allowed habeas corpus. It's the most amazing thing. Obama even issued a signing statement with it in which he said: Don't worry, I'm not going to do this. Don't worry, I'm not gonna do it. Well, he can, as can anybody in the military, as can any future president. They can just decide to detain you.


As noted Obama has put in a statement saying that he disagrees with this, but it was he who wanted this put in the bill:

Obama insisted that he signed the bill simply to keep funding for the troops. It was a continuation of the dishonest treatment of the issue by the White House since the law first came to light. As discussed earlier, the White House told citizens that the president would not sign the NDAA because of the provision. That spin ended after sponsor Senator Carl Levin (Democrat, Michigan) went to the floor and disclosed that it was the White House and insisted that there be no exception for citizens in the indefinite detention provision.

The latest claim is even more insulting. You do not "support our troops" by denying the principles for which they are fighting. They are not fighting to consolidate authoritarian powers in the president. The "American way of life" is defined by our constitution and specifically the bill of rights. Moreover, the insistence that you do not intend to use authoritarian powers does not alter the fact that you just signed an authoritarian measure. It is not the use but the right to use such powers that defines authoritarian systems.[...]

For civil libertarians, the NDAA is our Mayan moment: 2012 is when the nation embraced authoritarian powers with little more than a pause between rounds of drinks.


I have not heard any good justification for this law. Not long ago I probably would have said that this is necessary to fight the war on terrorism, but this appears to me to be going beyond fighting the war on terror and violates the Constitution by being a power grab by a government that is led by "rulers" who have authoritarian inclinations. The ability of the government to detain people indefinitely for no reason is a salient characteristic of an authoritarian government. I don't expect the government to immediately start rounding people up, but this does set a new precedent for the use of government power that does not have very well defined limits: it depends on how you define terrorism. I know that when you start talking about authoritarianism and the government gaining too much power that this will cause some people to immediately dismiss this as a conspiracy theory or crazy talk, but the unwillingness of people to overcome normalcy bias and to contemplate things outside the realm of their experience is how governments are able to slowly acquire new powers like this.

11 comments:

  1. You are right, it is the slow and soft tyranny. The boat has sailed though. Ron Paul will not get elected.

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  2. I wonder what Obama's reasoning is to do something so crazy. He obviously knows it wont be taken lightly or else he wouldnt have done it in the matter in which he did. There must be some huge motivation for him to do something silly like this during an election year. Could he have top secret information that leads him to believe that this bill is necessary to defend against the next 911? Or does he want the IRS to collect more money and find all the people who are sneaking around with money?

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  3. "Barack Obama demanded the removal of any and all protections for US citizens and legal residents. So, the collaborative Congress gave him the dictatorial powers he has wanted since he usurped the Office of POTUS."

    http://gulagbound.com/24690/obama-announces-he-can-imprison-anyone-he-chooses-if-he-chooses-to-do-so/

    It was a nice political game played by saying he would veto the bill because of the language when it was his administration that asked for the language about American Citizens. There is a 2min youtube clip of a CSPAN vid explaining.

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  4. Ron Paul was asked if he could see himself in the white house and he said not really. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E5JowQtK6Y
    at minute 4

    I think Obama's views and values are a radical departure from those that made America the nation it is and ones that are compatible with a free nation. http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/01/by_his_fruits_ye_shall_know_him_obamas_subversive_appointments.html

    I could see myself in a gulag some day.

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  5. Here are some other bills besides S1031-32 from NDAA that concern me.

    H.R. 3261 Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA)

    "Put simply, the bill would enable the U.S. government to block Internet content for very specious reasons. Sites that “enable or facilitate” copyright infringement could be shut down just for that enabling or facilitating function. In other words, a site like YouTube could be shut down just because one of its users posted content that infringes copyright laws."

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/18/a-quick-introduction-to-the-stop-online-piracy-act-a-k-a-sopa/

    To me this bill represents the beginning of censorship of free speech but on the internet. The government will have control to shut down anything they deem necessary. The next bill hasn't passed yet and I just recently heard about it.

    H.R. 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act

    "To add engaging in or supporting hostilities against the United States to the list of acts for which United States nationals would lose their nationality."

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-3166

    Now the Government is seeking the ability to strip away citizenship. Hostilities... defined by a government... Would this lead to OWS protesters? Bloggers with the wrong opinions? Anyone the government is against?

    These are some of the concerns that lead me to Ron Paul as a 2012 Presidential candidate. The government was never envisioned to become this large and take control of so many responsibilities.

    I don't see Ron Paul in the White House either but not because he is not qualified to do so. He is the only candidate who is a statesman and not a politician. Yes, he has been in Congress for 12 terms, but not for personal gain like most of Washington now-a-days. He gets it and has been saying it for many years now.

    Watch these two clips of old speeches matched with current events... gives me chills

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJG_oFFDK0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjuUWr9vaXo&feature=related

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  6. I have a hard time seeing where Ron Paul is coming from on foreign policy and I don't agree with it. 911 happened before America was involved in that region of the world so I don't see how America's meddling in that region of the world is to blame for Islamic terrorism. These people believe that it is their duty to kill non believers and they want to end the Western way of life. Although the way in which the Iraq war was ended it does appear that the 4500 dead 32,000 wounded and 850 billion spent on the war will end up being wasted. I think that Israel should be supported because they are the only nation in that region of the world that shares our values: freedom and the Western way of life. I do agree that America's foreign policy of supporting dictators and fighting wars for our enemies-- in Libya-- in that region of the world will not end up working to America's benefit.

    I think that an American citizen that fights against America on a foreign battle field or is involved in domestic acts of terrorism like plotting to bomb should loose their citizenship.

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  8. 911 happened before America was involved in that region? Have you not read history books?

    Afghanistan in the 70's, Beirut in the 50's and 80's, Iraq in the 90's,Syria in the 40's, Israel in 1948, Egypt in the 50's...I am a very poor historian, but not only has America been heavily interventionist in the region for the entire 20th century, but the West has been interventionist in the region since before Christ.

    The "What if" speech was kind of gay, but the other video was very interesting and impressive.

    But you are right Dean, the muslims want to kill all non believers. They have been doing it since Muhammad was raiding Quraysh caravans in the infancy of the religion. I think, though, that Paul might bring a different approach to the problem. The west has persisted in trying to invade and kill these people for 1400 years, something new might not be that bad. Just try it for four years.

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  9. "911 happened before America was involved in that region of the world so I don't see how America's meddling in that region of the world is to blame for Islamic terrorism."

    "The American intervention of August 1953 was a momentous event in the history of Iranian-American relations. [It] left a running wound that bled for twenty-five years and contaminated relations with the Islamic Republic of Iran following the revolution of 1978-79."[32] London had first suggested acovert operation to Washington about a year earlier. The British were mainly concerned about their loss of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company, but in appealing to the United States, they emphasized the communist threat, "not wishing to beaccused of trying to use the Americans to pull British chestnuts out of the fire."

    http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/31267829

    I stumbled upon this and will start reading more than the "1953 Iran" I searched for; where we basically overthrew a democracy to put in a dictator for oil contracts.

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  10. "I think that Israel should be supported because they are the only nation in that region of the world that shares our values: freedom and the Western way of life."

    I think that in the past (20th century) this statement would be my sentiment. But when their PM comes to our congress and says we don't need your help we should listen to him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gN5UrPB-xA

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  11. Correction, my previous comment said that the "West has persisted in trying to invade and kill these people for 1400 years". I said this wrong. I meant that we have been intervening in the region for 1400 years. I understand that our intent hasn't always necessarily been to invade and kill.

    -ToeJamm

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