Thursday, July 8, 2010

Internet Kill Switch: Worthy Discussion?




This might seem like a trivial issue, but I was wondering what the consensus would be here. A proposal that would give the Dept of Homeland Security significant control over the internet in times of crisis is before the Senate (Protecting the Internet as a National Asset Bill). This would effectively enable the Executive to turn off portions of the internet, all of it, to various regions/sectors/etc. It could also force priority usage of bandwidth giving government and key infrastructure facilities (whether private or public) communication capabilities in case of an emergency.

As you can probably tell from the website, which seemed the most viscerally concerned about it, it seems some conservatives are opposed to this bill. However, if you follow through with this link, I think you should get a pretty good grasp on how vital/vulnerable the internet is to the country. This bill seems to be a reaction from Defense concerns about how open the US could be to attack, especially with the devastating war that would be fought if foreign actors took control of unprotected domestic machines and used them to launch attacks against gov't and/or key private facilities. Being able to partition key facilities from the rest of the net and controlling access to bandwidth is vital to surviving a cyber attack.

So why are people that fear this dumb?

The logic used by the Texas GOP is the most ridiculous I came across. How the hell is a billion zillion internet users going to "privately" defend themselves from a coherent and unified foreign attack? If this logic were true, all police and military forces should be private. Dumb. Just as the President could theoretically use this to silence dissent, so could he utilize his monopoly of violence with the military. If he's willing to silence your internet usage, I'm sure he'll have a grunt beating you with a baton when you take to the streets to bitch about it. If you think this is a giant monitoring scheme then you're even further behind the times and should research how big the NSA's current workload dealing with billions of terror related traffic. The gov't doesn't have the capability nor the desire to read our personal griefs to Washington. Plus, it pretty much has the right to do that by the Patriot Act. Where was the Texas GOP protesting when that was passed? Ohh yeah, we were still wondering how to defend ourselves from terrorist attacks. Maybe it's good that we're trying to pass this BEFORE an attack, and not after.

The Republican Party needs to pick its battles more appropriately or at least, figure out some way to explain it's willingness to trespass dangerously close to civil liberties with the Patriot Act, but is bellicose with this measure.

Stop being retarded.

6 comments:

  1. I tend to agree with you on this topic. I did a post on this last year. China on an almost daily basis attacks America's computer infrastructure. Look at Russia's successful cyber attack on Georgia before it was invaded. Something does need to be done.

    Just like after 911, the government gained a lot of new powers that were mostly needed to deal with the new reality. There is the potential for the government to misuse this new power as with any other power.

    On the "The gov't doesn't have the capability nor the desire to read our personal griefs to Washington." They may not care about personal griefs, but I do think that looking at the current people in power in our government, it is safe to assume that they would be more likely to use this new power for things other than foreign threats. Look at their attempts to regulate the internet by declaring it a public utility and their push for net neutrality. http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/18/fcc-takes-first-step-towards-making-the-internet-a-public-utility/
    This is far more of a concern than the "kill switch". I do believe that the current President would silence dissidents and gather more power for itself if it could. Look at what people he has surrounded himself with and others has said.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXeX6vsfq_M
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi1zg2NOCn8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi1zg2NOCn8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM-iixwmN_A&feature=related What has Chavez done? Take over the media.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK62MQ_OIEI
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Nlq80DVpo Obama is ready to rule. This shows the mind set.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzG0xpkjWrA Use the pursuasion of power.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN67KJdd6Mw&feature=player_embedded This dude has charges drop against him by the AJ.

    I know this sounds stupid to suggest this of the people in our government, but these are the words of people that the President that have surround himself with and other in power in our government. Not that a kill switch doesn't need to be in place, but it does make one think.

    Overall, I somewhat question the government gaining this new power but I also realize that something does need to be done. It is just another look at the direction the world is headed. I do believe that a system of control is being set up, not necessarily on purpose, to implement some type of control. What happens when governments get too much power?

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  2. As long as porn, fantasy sports, and RTP's is still up then I'm fine with it.

    The internet is scary for dumb people like me. I mostly trust cops and I'm sure this wont be much different.

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  3. I'm inclined to be against this. I haven't and am not going to read the Texas GOP position on it. It is bad if you are worried about government control of what you see and how you are monitored.

    Any control/authority over its subjects will be used for nefarious purposed by an oppressive government.
    Yes, it's true, the government does not have the capability to monitor and comprehend everything that everyone is doing. But, they are getting better at it all the time. And they certainly could use this ability to monitor anyone they had an interest in. I mean, that can happen now, legally, with court orders etc, or illegally. And via the Patriot Act, they are certainly doing data mining already, but, there is no good reason to increase their control over it.

    The government has it's own internet, so doesn't need the public internet for essential services. Any public utility is already required -by federal law-, to make sure their essential communications are completely separate from the public internet. I spend a certain portion of my job helping with that. If my company's essential communications succumb to some internet attack, it is my company that is liable for the damages. It's already our job to make sure that doesn't happen.

    I wouldn't believe a government that says it has to shut down 'the internet' to function. Or I would say that my government has squandered the hundreds of billions it has already spent to shield itself from the public internet if it needs to claim this.

    Should the federal government have the authority to tell AT&T to shut down certain communications systems that are being heavily degraded due to enemey attack? Yes. And if that's all the law is going to do, then I may be inclined to look at the proposal with an open mind.

    Private citizens aren't going to defend themselves. The telcos and the government already can do it.

    Just say no to more government control. Explain why the Patriot Act is not sufficient control. I'll listen. As I recall, Democrats bludgeoned Bush with the Patriot Act from the moment of its inception, but now they want to increase control? I smell a rat.

    Freedom of Speech is probably the Most Important Right we have. Anything threatening that should be treated with extreme distrust. The Miracle of the Internet has happened because governments are NOT in control.

    "Trust me, I'm from the Federal government" does not compute.

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  4. Net neutrality? Doesn't that state that company's can't decide what usage is more "preferable" to other usage? This was something about Comcast trying to deny bandwidth to users of P2P networks which generally share illegal movies and music right? Wouldn't gov't support for net neutrality actually be favorable to protecting our access to the internet?

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  5. "Tyrants always - not sometimes, but always - endeavor to control the flow of news and information to the people."

    I will admit that I don't much about this subject, but from the little I have read about I disagree with it. Net Neutrality is far more encompassing than what you have stated above. Who is pushing for Net "Neutrality".? That would be the current administration. The whole push to have the internet regulated as a public utility under the FCC is a way for the government to gain control over a vital piece of technology and the flow of information. Who is in charge of the FCC? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM-iixwmN_A&feature=related
    This guy praises Chavez and wants to push for the "Fairness" doctrine. Does the internet really need to become a public utility?

    The courts have shot down the ideal of net neutrality so now the government wants to side step this by declaring the internet a public utility. This is like having carbon declared a public health risk so that the EPA can regulate it under some type of cap and trade program. Why is there a need to bypass the courts in this case?

    This is an older opinion article. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/01/fairness_doctrine_for_t_he_int.html

    Unless I read better arguments for NN, I currently stand against it.

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