How is the current financial situation different than that of ones in the past? The main difference is the cost of unfunded liabilities. It will be impossible for the government to fulfill all of its promises. I heard it stated on the Hannity special show about the movie Generation Zero that the government has promised more to current and future generations than the total value of America's assets. How will people react to the government being unable to meet their basic needs at a time when they are becoming increasingly dependent on the government, health care/social security, to meet these needs? The level of dependency of the people, the severity of the economy downturn, and the character of the people will determine this.
To put things into perspective the current economic situation is not anything new in the course of history; although the circumstances are slightly different.Keynesian economists, like Paul Krugman, argue that growing debt will not be a problem given that large government debts are not unprecedented. For example, Krugman argues that the United States ran large debts during the Second World War and was able to pay them off after the war ended. This Princeton professor and Nobel laureate also argues that, because the United States is one of many countries piling up debt, its public debt is justifiable and tenable.
Paul Krugman conveniently leaves out, or fails to apply, some key details. Regarding the Second World War, he notes that the debt was paid off largely because of a cut in government spending. He fails to account for the fact that the most dangerous factors behind the current debt are 'unfunded liabilities' — the future costs of welfare and social-insurance programs. As for those other countries building debt, they are also looking at political uncertainty and almost-certain economic collapse.[1]
The current financial situation is nothing knew, but these past and recent financial upheavals do led to a long term trend toward an increasing larger role of government in the private sector as indicated by history. This trend will only stop when, as stated in the last part above, that eventually these big government programs will collapse under their own weight. This is one of Bud-D's points about this topic. I question how much farther the statist system will progress before this happens.The current fiscal situation is not unprecedented. High public and private debt has been the bane of large governments for the entirety of written history. It is what Ludwig von Mises described as the 'crisis of interventionism.'
Put in simpler terms, the crisis of interventionism is summed up by the adage, 'the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.''Intervention aims at confiscating the 'surplus' of one part of the population and at giving it to the other part. Once this surplus is exhausted by total confiscation, a further continuation of this policy is impossible.'
What was to blame for the "worldwide economic collapse of the 1930s"? The interesting thing is that all points below are present today. The aspect of nations debt to each other in point one could come about in the future due to all of these sovereign debt crises and the fact that the governments of the world and IO's are reacting to this by continuing to extend credit, bailouts, when there is no actual credit. This will have the effect of building the world economy on a foundation of debt.
Garrett placed the blame for the worldwide economic collapse of the 1930s on the Federal Reserve System's program of extending credit to bail out its European friends. He branded the entire process a Ponzi scheme.
In the current situation it will be America and most of the world as opposed to just Europe that will have to be bailed out, or have credit extended, to deal with the sovereign debt that the world is accumulating.Garrett described the bubble as a product of three factors:
First, the idea that the panacea for debt is credit.…[Jeff, this is the prevaling opinion of today's governments.]
The burden of Europe's private debt to [the United States] now is greater than the burden of her war debt; and the war debt, with arrears of interest, is greater than it was the day the peace was signed.…[9]
Second, a social and political doctrine, now widely accepted, beginning with the premise that people are entitled to certain betterments of life. If they cannot immediately afford them, that is, if out of their own resources these betterments cannot be provided, nevertheless people are entitled to them, and credit must provide them.…
Third, the argument that prosperity is a product of credit, whereas from the beginning of economic thought it had been supposed that prosperity was from the increase and exchange of wealth, and credit was its product.[10]
Some interesting points"
But the era of growing bureaucracy, of the welfare/warfare state, and of illusionary wealth cannot last forever.[...]Credit almost ran dry back in the fall of 08. The government stepped in to prevent this from happening with TARP and all of these bailouts. As noted in my earlier post, this has according to Neil Barofsky--the special inspector general for the Trouble Asset Relief Program (TARP)--not solved the fundamental problems of the economy. I infer from Barofsky's statement that credit, or drug, will be cut short.The West has undermined its own security by allowing its governments to quickly grow beyond the fiscal means of their people. The United States and Western Europe have built up a mountain of debt. Deficit spending as a counter cyclical fiscal policy is the least of the world's worries. The collapse of today's credit-based Ponzi scheme is mainly due to the multitude of social-insurance programs that are becoming far too costly to sustain. In other words, the crumbling keystone is not short-term expenditure but long-term debt.
Given the political unpopularity of cutting these untenable programs, it is unlikely that governments will purposefully reverse their growth.[11] There is a fast-growing addiction to credit. Western governments can be compared to drug addicts. While a drug addict can overdose, however, the government can remain high as long as credit continues to be supplied at an exponentially rising rate. But, as with any addict, the day the supply cuts short is the day that marks the beginning of a severe depression.
The author of the article states that,
For better or for worse, as Garet Garrett beautifully explains in The Bubble That Broke the World, the market corrects itself. The lengthening of the period of interventionism only increases the painfulness of the inevitable reallocation of resources.This inevitable collapse is being delayed by the governments. And at the same time the governments are forcing people through economic circumstances to become more dependent on the governments for their basic needs. I question if the governments will allow the market to correct itself before this correction becomes extremely painful to the point that people will be in such dire economic situation that they will not be able to meet their basic needs; thus leading them to temporarily demand more government intervention to deal with the pain. This delaying is affecting the severity of the collapse and changing how people will react to it.
This article appears to point out and somewhat illustrates why another world-economic depression must occur. The author of the article states that inevitably this statist system will collapse. I agree with that, but I am asking how will the governments and people of the world, keeping in mind the culture and prevailing tides of thought of this people, react to this and how much farther the statist system will progress before this turning point occurs? If--almost when-- a world economic downturn/depression happens, how will globalization and international organizations affect or determine how this plays out?
Yeah, the general point of that article seems right on: people are going to rely on increasing levels of debt until the whole system fails. Since Reagan, there has been at least talk about reining in government debt. However, as this blog has shown (and been shown), 'we can't hope to stop debt, only contain it' - at best. The blessing of Obama is that he replaced the slow nickel-&-diming our way into increasing debt and eventual insolvency with a headlong dive into it. In so doing, it appears that he has possibly woken the populace up to what is happening rather than sleepily stumbling into it as was happening before. I still believe it's just possible that we can reverse this. If the Tea Party can maintain its momentum, etc...
ReplyDelete...and it bears repeating that Adam Smith will reverse it for us if we don't do it ourselves, it'll just be more painful if he has to do it for us.
ReplyDeleteI guess in a way it is a good thing that Obama has hasten the process. The only way to reverse it is for complete reversal of policy and for people to willingly give up their social security benefits and other government aid and overall attitude of expecting the government to provide certain things for them. I don't see that happening.
ReplyDeleteThe problem that America and the world faces is cultural: "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The public can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."
I see people responding to the immediate circumstances but not making any fundamental changes. This will take a new generation of people.
Good quote. Who said it?
ReplyDeleteYeah, the fickleness of the public is maddening. How could people think they were getting anything than what they've gotten with Obama? They should be happy with it, because he is working hard to implement his core agenda: socialization of America.
Why would a non-socialist vote for him? Boggles the mind, but water under the bridge.
I don't know who the quote is from. I got it off of Boortz dot com. http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/2010/03/08/
ReplyDeleteI think the quote sums up the problem that faces the world: cultural rot. This is one reason I view the path that the world is on will not change for quite some time. It will only get better in the short term.
How did Hitler win the support of the German people? While Obama is no Hitler, I think people tend to react to the immediate moment. In the case of Hitler, the economic situation that Germany was in after WW I. At the time of the elections in 08 the economy was crumbling and there was an unpopular President in office then here comes a charismatic leader that made vague promise of providing for people, that promised to bring change and had some good slogans. People got caught up in the emotions of the moment. There is an interesting aspect about the masses of people in that they tend to follow a charismatic leader in times of trouble. The election of Obama shows how people react to a crumbling economy and indicates how people will react [W]hen the world economy faces a downturn in the future. The media help to lie and get to get him elected. America swings back and forth between conservative and liberal leadership while it is moving towards bigger government or whatever one wants to call it. America will eventually elect another Obama.
I have asked several people, not dumb people, that support Obama and I stated that a lot of his polices are socialist and do not have the stated effect, they stated that he just wants to help people and how do we know that socialism or communism is not a bad thing. I pointed out history and stated how many government programs end up hurting the very people they are supposed to help. A kid in class asked why the supreme court stood in the way of FDR's new deal or tried to stop him from helping people. I pointed out that the new deal made the GD great and how the AAA hurt people by destroying crops. Socialism and communism is not a dirty word or viewed as something negative by the majority of people. It is acceptable. One of my teachers gave me a list of black communist authors that he agreed with to read. I pointed out that they ascribed to Marxist political thought and he said, "yeah, what about it". People are lost. This is the determining factor in where America is headed. Most people view the government as a provider that needs to help people out in tough times and as a savior. This makes me question how people will respond to the greater economic downturn that is coming. Only after this socialist system completely collapses will people have a change of opinion. The next few decades will be an interesting time to live with a lot of changes that will happen to he very structure of America and the world.
The book _The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements_ by Eric Hoffer is a short and interesting read on the topic, it was written in the 50's. "If communist[not straight up communism but its new-democratic-big government form] win Europe and a large part of the world, it will not be because they know how to stir up discontent or how to infect people with hatred, but because they know how to preach hope." Hope and Change.