Saturday, February 22, 2014

Brutal Conflict in Ukraine

Again, so many things to write about that it's overwhelming, and here's a topic on which the US can't do a great deal about, though certainly more than we're doing now.  But, this video is so shocking and incredible that I became motivated enough to write about it.

In the Ukraine, a deal was in the works to tie Ukraine's economy more closely to the EU's, moving it further out of the 'Soviet' orbit.  The pro-Russian government led by President Viktor Yanukovych nixed the idea, probably both because he was personally against it and also because of pressure from Putin, trying to keep a hold on the old Soviet Republics.  Ukraine is probably one of the most important/strategic ex-Soviet Republic and would be a great loss to Russia for it to fall out of their sphere of influence. 

The cancellation of the economic agreement with the EU provoked a large protest from ethnic Ukrainians (as opposed to Russian-Ukrainians).  As many know, ethnic Ukrainians are primarily in the western part of the country and ethnic Russians are primarily in the eastern part of the country.  Wikipedia has a great article breaking down the demographics of the country.  As can be seen, ethnic Ukrainians still make up 77% of the population. 

I think the government was surprised by the ferocity of the protest against Yanukovych's move.  Protesters claimed central Kiev, taking control of the main square and many government buildings.  In so doing, we see effective use of the shield wall in modern times

Note that the combatants are relatively evenly matched in this photo, with the police having better equipment, but not decisively so.  So, long as the conflict is confined to clubs, shields, Molotov cocktails, and tear gas, the protesters can effectively fight the police.  However, as the video shows above, once firearms are brought into the conflict, the shield wall becomes useless.  But in the video, notice the bravery of the protesters.  They're being shot, their brothers are being maimed and killed, and still they move forward.  Would we have that kind of bravery in America?  I don't know.

NBC news has a good article on what has been happening, though it doesn't talk about the causes of the conflict much.

This morning, Fox news reports Yanukovych has fled Kiev for the Eastern/Russian part of Ukraine

This shows that Stalin's brutal ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians from the eastern part of Ukraine has paid off, as we wouldn't even be having this discussion, this conflict wouldn't even be happening, if he hadn't done this, along with displacement of local populations and replacement with Russians all over the Soviet Republics. 

Meanwhile, another brutal conflict is kicking into high gear in the Western Hemisphere, but since it includes Obama's socialist buddies, the bootlicking media is silent.

Addendum:
The excellent website War Is Boring analyzes how this protest movement succeeded.  I think their final paragraph had the main reason:
But if there’s anything that tipped the balance, at least for now, it’s the protesters’ willingness to fight. “I’m ready to fight for my human rights and my country, and the better life of my country,” a women’s brigade fighter told Al Jazeera. “Even to death.”
Not being intimidated and showing the bravery they showed in the video above showed they couldn't be cowed.  That's been the difference, at least so far.

12 comments:

  1. I think they are getting shot at with rubber bullets. Which can debilitate you and kill you if you get shot in the face, but are not the same as real bullets. I am only guessing. Their plywood boards couldn't stop an assault rifle.

    To answer your question, if Obama pissed me off enough and I had gear to cover my face, I would definitely march in to a wall of rubber bullets. I'll bet the economy is shut down and their is no job to go to anyway.

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  2. Those are real bullets and those are real dead and severely injured people being pulled away. At least 70 dead.

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  3. I don't know all of the details as to why the Ukrainian protestors are protesting, but I agree with the ones that tore down the statue of Lenin. The main reason for the protest as noted above was the nixing of the economic deal that would have brought Ukraine closer to the EU.

    I don't know exactly why the Ukrainians want to integrate with the EU and move away from Russia. It has been argued by several people that the EU has many characteristics of the Soviet Union. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM2Ql3wOGcU
    Some EU leaders are openly calling for the confiscation of Europeans' wealth. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-12/europe-considers-wholesale-savings-confiscation-enforced-redistribution
    It seems as if the Ukrainians are presented not much of a choice.

    America has fundamentally changed these past six years, just like Obama said that he would. America is no longer a free market, capitalist economic system nor is its political system a republic/ representative democracy. Most Americans has not yet realized this and are still living under a false paradigm. These will be the people that will suffer the most in the coming years. Americans will never protest the government until things get much worse. This fundamental transformation of our country is evident by many events. The constitution has not been followed and is completely ignored on several main issues. The president has assumed dictatorial powers. This is evident by his rewriting of the health care law and sidestepping congress on many issues. The theme of state of the union speech made this point clear. A liberal law professor that supported Obama stated: " We've become a nation of enablers. We are turning a blind eye to a fundamental change in our system. I think many people will come to loathe that they remained silent during this period. This is beginning to border on a cult of personality for people on the left. Many people will look back at this period in history and see nothing but confusion as to why people remained so silent when the president asserted these types of unilateral actions. You have a president who's claimed the right to basically rewrite or ignore or negate federal laws. That's a very dangerous thing." http://hotair.com/archives/2014/02/13/jonathan-turley-the-lefts-indifference-to-obamas-executive-power-grabs-is-beginning-to-border-on-a-cult-of-personality/

    My health insurance was going to increase by over 400%. Luckily, I got a letter in the mail from my insurance company stating: "You may have heard that President Obama and your state are allowing some individuals and families to keep their current health insurance plans until 2015." When did the president assume the right to allow and deny people to keep their insurance policies. This letter is a powerful indication of how our country has changed dramatically these past six years. The FCC proposed putting watchers in newsrooms. http://www.redstate.com/diary/matthewclark/2014/02/18/obama-administration-putting-government-monitors-newsrooms/ This has been cancelled, but the fact that they would propose this says a lot.

    The government spies on Americans on a level that George Orwell could not imagine. A turnkey dictatorship has been created. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/%E2%80%9Cwe-are-far-turnkey-totalitarian-state-big-brother-goes-live-september-2013
    When the economic crisis hits, the key will be put in and turned. By then it will be too late for Americans to protest. Most will be applauding and welcoming the new system.

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  4. If they are getting shot at with real bullets than they don't seem too afraid to die. Dudes are just standing up and wandering around. There is no ignoring the dead or unconscious people, but many things can cause that. I guess the people don't seem too tactical to me. Especially if they are getting picked off with ease.

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  6. Yeah, I was going to write about how this demonstrates the real purpose of the 2nd Amendment, which it does, but in reading all the accounts of what's going on, it sounds like the protesters do have some firearms, and also, and this goes to 00139x's point, the American citizenry is armed to the teeth, but the government is robbing us blind and interfering with our lives on an Orwellian scale, and no one does anything significant about it. So, what is the 2nd amendment doing for us again?!

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  7. Let's stop talking about it! Meet me at the plaza!

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  8. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=LIfe+of+Brian%2c+let's+stop&FORM=VIRE2&adlt=strict#view=detail&mid=2E0EA93A2F56122F588C2E0EA93A2F56122F588C

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  9. Its pretty brilliant on Russia's part. It looks like they will annex Crimea. It doesn't seem like the Crimeans will resist. It seems like they may even support it. And what is the argument for stopping it?

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  10. Yeah, I don't know about brilliant, but certainly a necessary move from a Russian point of view, and somewhat ballsy. Of course, Putin knows that militarily, the US and the EU aren't going to do anything. But, we can make it hurt economically if we have any balls ourselves (big If).

    Really, this is on the Ukraines to either stand up to the Russians or not. I see no way they retain control of the Crimea, but if they show they are ready to fight any further Russian aggression, I think Putin would call it good with the Crimea (which is only Ukrainian because Stalin moved it into the Ukraine from Russia, that must be an interesting story in itself.)

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  11. The obvious argument is to prevent Russia from invading other countries, the big argument is we don't want a return to the cold war, and with Russia invading Georgia and now the Ukraine, what's next? At what point to we put our feet down? We are now NATO allies of Poland, Czech Republic, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Those were all in the Warsaw Pact. What are we going to do if Russia decides it wants Latvia back? Stopping this expanionism sooner rather than later is in our best interests. But, obviously, we aren't going to send troops to the Ukraine. However, we are committed to sending trooops to Latvia, if that situation arose. The big question is how feckless has the US become? Leaders with balls in the world see a passive US. They know that now is their time to take advantage of it.

    As someone said "Putin plays a weak hand strongly. Obama plays a strong hand weakly."

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  12. And right on cue, Poland is asking for an emergency meeting of NATO:
    http://xbradtc.com/2014/03/03/nato-news-secretary-general-announces-north-atlantic-council-to-meet-following-polands-request-for-article-4-consultations-03-mar-2014/

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